Hard Luck, Poor Defending, and Bad Karma: Fiorentina Champions League Reaction

By: Ted | September 17th, 2008

This is not going to be a great big post. I just don’t have that much to say.

First of all, I’ve already been in touch with a couple of Viola fans and have also read the comments of many of the thoughtful posters on the Fiorentina boards, and they have all said, rightfully, that we would have taken a draw in advance of the game if we had the chance. And, with the Viola drawing with Lyon on their home ground, we know that we got a decent result. With the 2-2 tie Fiorentina have kept pace with their theoretical opponents for second place in the group, Lyon, and denied them the chance to get three points on their home ground. Bayern looked thoroughly human today, so even with their three points the group is still wide open. If Fiorentina take care of business vs. Steaua, win at home vs. Lyon, and maybe even take a point of Bayern somewhere, they could be fine and could advance.

Still, everyone knows that today was a missed opportunity. When your team, your beloved team, goes up 2-0 with thirty minutes left to play, your team needs to win. The fact that we couldn’t close out an admittedly very strong team is deeply worrisome. It points to the same problems the team had Sunday in Naples and also had for much of last season. Apologists will point to the fact that we didn’t have our full international, Gamberini, in the back line, and they are correct in assuming that things will get better upon his return. But the club has a larger problem closing out teams, and it is a problem that, if not corrected, will deny Fiorentina a spot in the knockout stages and indeed a return to the top four in Series A this season.

Much of the chatter over the next few days will be about Lyon’s controversial goal, which can be seen here. And in fact it was an incredibly sleazy goal, against the spirit of the sport, and contrary to decent sportsmanship. Lyon are indeed dirty rotten cheating bastards, as well as cheese-eating surrender monkeys. The goal should not, however, be noted as the sole reason Fiorentina surrendered the lead. Lyon played better for much of the game, and had more shots and more possession. The Great Man himself has said the team has only themselves to blame for dropping the two points, and I see no reason to contradict him. What Lyon did was petty and earned them a boatful of bad karma, and I for one hope things turn on them at the worst possible moment. But to figure out why we dropped two points in France today, we don’t have to look at that bad goal. We need look only at ourselves.



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  • George |  September 18th, 2008 at 7:44 am

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    I agree with the one poster…I don’t think the Lyon Players were aware of the injured viola player on the ground. I believe we saw a similar situation this past
    summer in the Euro2008. Is Lyon dirty ?? Perhaps not in this case but I will never forget the vicious elbow
    given by Lyon star “Fred” on Christian Chivu then with Roma two years ago in the Champions League…that was one of the dirtiest plays ever. I will never respect that man or Lyon. This was only the first game so many things will change before the end of the competition. Taking into account the play of the entire match the Viola should be happy with a road draw.

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  • MAD |  September 18th, 2008 at 8:20 am

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    Yeah, all 11 lyon players plus the referee looking directly at his position all completely missed the bright purple thing on the ground.

    Right next to the thing they are all aiming at.

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  • ursus arctos |  September 18th, 2008 at 8:31 am

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    MAD, let it go.

    The Viola have.

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  • slakas |  September 18th, 2008 at 10:17 am

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    no place here for hitler talk

    this is a sports forum
    take it somewhere else please.

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  • slakas |  September 18th, 2008 at 10:22 am

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    on a FOOTBALL note:
    being reported Zuari might have a fractured cheekbone
    (dive, right)
    not official, however

    However, Lyon un-sportingly refused to kick the ball out of play, and then used Zauri, who would be stretchered off with a suspected fractured cheekbone, in order to beat the offside trap, thus allowing substitute Piquionne to score to make it 2-1.

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  • Stevie Bhoy |  September 18th, 2008 at 11:35 am

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    Dirty rotten cheatin bastards? What part of the murder capital of europe are you from? I thought it was only
    Celtic who got decisions like that.Im going to the Genoa game next week, any tips for a fellow glaswegien in florence.

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  • Brenden |  September 18th, 2008 at 12:04 pm

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    Definitely was not fair play … everyone was aware of the injury because it happened so long before.

    Still, Lyon definitely outplayed Fiorentina, so in one sense Fiorentina should be happy it came out with a tie. The press is definitely treating it like Fiorentina was dominating the game, when in fact they were not.

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  • sandrahn |  September 18th, 2008 at 1:00 pm

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    “And in fact it was an incredibly sleazy goal, against the spirit of the sport, and contrary to decent sportsmanship. Lyon are indeed dirty rotten cheating bastards, as well as cheese-eating surrender monkeys”

    Wow, you get the award for Classiest Blog on the Net. Nice. Very charming. Where’d you go to school, the KKK Bigot’s Academy?

    Hilarious. A supporter of an Italian team suddenly discovering moral outrage over “sportsmanship.” You can’t make it up.

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  • sandrahn |  September 18th, 2008 at 1:06 pm

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    MAD seems to be one of these many Italy supporters who are obsessive anti-French hypocritical bigots while railing at the world for anti-Italian bigotry. Last time I checked both Fiorentina and Lyon were comprised of players of multiple nationalities. How does this get translated into an Italian v. French thing?

    I love all these moral hypocrites using this one incident to pontificate about morality in such selective fashion, using one incident in one game to generalize about the “French character.” That’s called bigotry but of course that’s ok with you guys — you can’t trash Italians but the French are fair game.

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  • sandrahn |  September 18th, 2008 at 1:07 pm

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    You whine when you lose, whine when you win. Grow up.

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  • sandrahn |  September 18th, 2008 at 1:13 pm

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    And at least France started out on the right side in World War II, unlike fascist Italy.

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  • slakas |  September 18th, 2008 at 1:14 pm

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    lol
    your own player says the same thing

    you grow up

    Gilardino has surprisingly found an ally in Lyon defender Fabio Grosso, who says that it was wrong not to kick the ball out.

    “It’s difficult because the referee tells you before the game that he’ll blow the whistle if anyone is down injured,” said the Italian World Cup winner.

    “But here in France they often play on with a man down and I get very angry – it’s just a different culture.”

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  • slakas |  September 18th, 2008 at 1:16 pm

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    again with the war references

    are you an imbecile?

    that was over 60 years ago, almost everyone alive then is dead and it has absolutely NO bearing on today’s society
    or football for that matter.

    enough of this bigoted bullshit

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  • Johonna |  September 18th, 2008 at 1:33 pm

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    Just so you know, the cheese-eating line is from The Simpsons. Personally, I dont think its inclusion in the post above has anything to do with racism or Italy vs France.

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  • Ted |  September 18th, 2008 at 1:51 pm

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    Thank you Johonna.

    She is right. “Cheese-eating Surrender Monkeys” is a line uttered by Groundskeeper Willie while teaching a French Language class in an episode of “The Simpsons.”

    It is not a comment on any nation’s actions during World War Two; it is a joke. Everyone please grow up, calm down, and learn to laugh a little.

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  • suiseiseki |  September 18th, 2008 at 2:32 pm

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    “You whine when you lose, whine when you win. Grow up.”

    it was a draw ;D

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  • Stevie Bhoy |  September 18th, 2008 at 2:34 pm

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    “THE SIMPSONS” , What league do they play in? I thought I was on a Fitbaw website. Cant blame any one but the ref!He should have stopped the game. There is now, no such thing as time wasting. He has a watch, just add the time on at the end. Its not as if we had to be home before it got dark , were all big boys now!

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  • mrCham |  September 18th, 2008 at 3:26 pm

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    Thanks for posting this lovely piece of comedy. Italy are not in any way famous for their “Fair Play”, so this serves them right. Allez Lyon =)

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  • MAD |  September 18th, 2008 at 8:09 pm

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    This is me not escalating anything, but I am still wondering what I said that was bigotry and not military history.

    I would love anyone to provide me with just one example.

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  • Qishen |  September 19th, 2008 at 5:28 am

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    I myself have been following Valencia for a little more than 12 years now, and I have always admired the violas since batistuta days.
    But its not every club that manages to come back to serie A after going bankrupt and having to start from ground zero again with only support from fans.
    I sincerely hope the violas and their fans give lyon a trashing on the return game.

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  • gerry |  September 19th, 2008 at 4:54 pm

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    Hey,! whats the french for PRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

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  • ursus arctos |  September 21st, 2008 at 1:13 pm

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    Kuzmanovic and (especially) Jovetic were excellent today, whereas Santana was anything but.

    Still an excellent result without Mutu. The future’s bright; the future is purple.

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  • alessio |  September 21st, 2008 at 2:30 pm

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    Jovetic, Kuzmanovic, Montolivo…the “old men” of the Viola are Frey and Mutu which is probably younger than the average age of a certain squad from up north.

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  • slakas |  September 21st, 2008 at 5:24 pm

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    well, dainelli is probably THE old man.

    Milan would pick this week to get well. a lazio win would’ve capped a five team parley for me for 300 bucks lol

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  • NickyViola |  September 22nd, 2008 at 4:41 pm

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    Santana did assist on our only goal, even if it was more a credit to poor defending than anything else.

    Also, I think that “And at least France started out on the right side in World War II” is one of the most hilarious things I have read in a long, long, time. Thanks!

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