

Viola Thoughts
By: Ted | February 27th, 2009
I want to start by apologizing on behalf of both myself and Tim. We are both swamped with work and are getting up previews and match reviews a little later than we would like. Thanks for all your patience. Speaking only for myself, and not for Tim, this whole “New Great Depression” thing has hit me and the business I work for pretty hard, and has left everyone there with more work to do than normal. And since I like my job, I want to keep it, and that occasionally leads to some delays here at the ole’ Fiorentina blog, which I still enjoy the hell out of writing. Today’s post might be a little shaky, then, since I got up at 5AM to be at work by 7:30 (with a 2-hour commute) and I didn’t finish my workday until about ten minutes ago. (It is now 8PM where I am.) Regardless, I am pressing forward, albeit with a glass of Johnnie Walker Green Label in hand.
The big news out of Beautiful Florence, of course, is that the Viola were eliminated from the UEFA Cup yesterday by Ajax, after drawing 1-1 on the road in their second leg. I only saw bits and pieces of the match, including the wonderful goal we scored, (thanks to a damn sketchy feed) so I can’t say too much about it. I am aware of the discontent in the masses who think The Great Man made some poor substitutions, and I concede that any substitution involving bringing Almiron into the game is probably an error. But more on that in a moment. While I am certainly disappointed in yesterday’s result, I would argue the tie was really “lost” in the first leg when we allowed a so-so club (all respect to Ajax, but c’mon) to beat us 1-0 on our own ground. Hopes were high yesterday, but that first poor result really put us in a hole.
Also, I would politely disagree with some of my pals on this board and elsewhere who think it is a good thing that we went out of the cup. I certainly think they make a fair point that we will be a more rested team without the cup competition, (especially since almost every other Italian team is also out or soon to be out of Europe) but I also think an extended cup run can do wonders for team spirit and form a bond that can transcend cup matches and really help the club in league play. I do believe, like last year for instance, that the Viola’s extended cup run instilled a tremendous sense of self belief that carried over to the point where we achieved a CL spot in the league. I am afraid the loss this week may have the opposite effect.
Also, as I said, I like the UEFA Cup. I was thrilled by last year’s competition.
The larger issue that has come up in recent weeks has been the increasing rate at which fans are questioning Coach Prandelli. Fair enough, I say. There are no sacred cows here. And I have been the first to say that while the team has an excellent record in the league as of late, they are not playing up to their ability.
But I think we need to consider carefully whether this is really Pradelli’s fault. It may be an awkward day to make this argument, as some of the substitutions did not seem to work out yesterday, but I don’t mind. I have seen trainers like Ferguson, Mourinho, Wenger, and Capello all make what in retrospect are poor substations. They cannot see the future. They can only put players on the pitch and hope they perform to their ability. Prandelli thought Almiron would provide a veteran presence and a steady hand in the last few minutes of the game. He was wrong. But does this relate to the larger issue of whether he is doing a good job?
I’ll lay my cards on the table, or at least two of them. The first is my belief that Prandelli is the coach for us. No surprise to anyone who has read me before. My second belief, simply stated, and one that transcends most sports, is that coaches get too much credit and too much blame. I’m a big believer in the idea that players play. It is the players that decide the game. Sometimes a coach can have more of an effect in sports that are highly technical and require constant tactical decisions (like American football) but in real football there is only so much a coach can do once the whistle blows.
However, some of you feel that Prands is getting to the point where he needs to go. These folks are certainly entitled to their position. No one will get shouted down on the discussion boards as long as I have a say in it. But I think if you want to make that argument, that Pradelli has lost the plot and needs to go, you need to have reached conclusions to five separate questions before you get to that point:
1). Is Prandelli to blame for the holes in the defense? We all agree that the team has needs, as all teams do, and that the first of those needs is a CB to play with Gamberini. If you feel that Prandelli must go, than you must feel he played some sort of role in letting Ujfalusi go and believing in the Kroldrup/Dainelli Pu Pu Platter.
2). Is Prandelli to blame for players under-achieving? By my count Monto, Kuz, Semioli, Donadel, Pazzini before he left, the Pu Pu Platter and (according to some observers) Vargas all having sub-par years. I’m just talking about the main players, not fringe Almiron guys. Are the players responsible for their play, or is it the coach?
3). If yes to the above, then doesn’t Prands get credit for the play of the overachievers, like Mutu, Felipe, Gamberini, Bassey, and my Precious (who, remember, is still three years away from being able to legally purchase beer in the United States?)
4). How do you explain away the results? Because by my reckoning Fiorentina is a mid-sized club at best, yet they played in the Champions League this year and are on the road to repeating that feat. It would seem that he had SOMETHING to do with that success, and you would need to find another way of explaining it if you want him gone.
5). To put it simply: who are you going to replace him with that’s better?
I would even dare to add a sixth point to the discussion. Players come and go, executives like Corvino are largely faceless, and the owners are remote from the fans in a certain way, but no one is more identified with a club than a long-term coach. Think of Man United, Arsenal, and a few other big clubs and you inevitably think of the gaffer. In Prandelli we have one of the most basically decent men in profession sports, a man you can admire no matter who you support or what you believe in. Is that worth something?
Anyway, excuse my ramblings. Like I said, it’s late for an old man like me. Tim will be back soon with a preview of this weekend’s action. I for one need a 5-0 Viola win like you wouldn’t believe.
Forza Viola, everyone!
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First of all, Ted (& Tim), you never need to apologize for putting your paying job ahead of a blog. Second, I agree with your comments about Prandelli. I thought they were spot on. My old coach used to say, when the team wins, the players should get the credit. When the team loses, he takes responsiblity, because he didn’t prepare the team properly, or didn’t make the correct tactical changes. I remember the rash of coaches Viola had before they dropped to Serie B. Also, Napoli started hot and are now fadding down the standings. There will be periods of highs and lows. Look where Prandelli has taken us. I think he is entitled to having an “off” year, or segment of the season. You said it best with “who would be a better coach for Viola?”
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i think prandelli’s position shouldnt be questioned.the team is young,is lacking experience.he gets the best out of them.remember,we finished in the top 4 for 3 years in a row now.last year we had a 15 matches undeafeted streak.or the year before,when the team was in chaos following the calciopoli scandal,and we started badly in serie a being deducted 19 points and losing at home to both inter and palermo?anyone?i think cesare is our alex ferguson,i hope he sticks with us for a long time.with him,i think we are capable to challenge inter for scudetto.
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How many times does Prandelli have to win coach of the year before some people realize how lucky we are to have him.
Bottomline, hes a highly rated AND desired coach, we must hold on to him at all costs.
Not to mention that most of our key players would become suddenly less sentimental to the club with his departure.Watching Kroldrup or Dainelli play poorly is a lot more excusable than starting Loria in a CL match anyday lol.
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Prandelli is irreplacable…at all costs, we will never ever have a coach or a man of his caliber in Florence…Long live the purple vest!!! (you know which one)
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There are many coaches I would want in place of Prandelli. Terim, Mazzarri, Delio Rossi, Zeman, really I could go on and on. And on…
Prandelli does not have a squad rotation policy. Our second and third line players ONLY play when Cesare has no other choice.
But to Ted’s points…
1) With Balzaretti and Da Costa gone and our Primavera studs never getting a sniff, I guess we’ll never know.
2) Players sometimes under-acheive of their own doing and sometimes because they are asked to do things they are not able to do. All players under-achieve some seasons and over-achieve in others. The only Serie A clubs that really clearly have more depth and talent than us are Milan, Inter and Roma. I expect more from the greatest tactician alive, frankly.
3) Cesare is obviously able to get the most out of some players; Mutu being the prime example. I’m not sure that Melo, Bassie, Gamberini and Jovetic can be pointed to, though, as guys that have achieved more than they would have from being with Prandelli.
4) This is something that we obviously just disagree on because, as I mentioned above, I think we have exponentially more talent than the Cagliaris, Sienas, Napolis and Genoas. Could it be that I love Fiorentina so much that I over-rate some of our players? Admittedly, yes. It could be.
5) I answered this one above.
6) Coaches come and go, too. Prandelli has been with us for only three-and-a-half years. So many Viola fans (including on here as I have, in fact, been shouted down for voicing dissent) treat him like he is Joe Paterno or Giancarlo Antognoni. I simply don’t get it. He’ll be back with the Gobbi or the almost-as-offensive Azzurri soon.
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Nicky,
I obviously disagree with you, but I don’t think you’re making these crazy, outlandish points. We just disagree.
But I don’t think it’s fair to say you’ve been shouted down on this board. Just as you are making your points, others have a right to theirs and to disagree with you. The tide of opinion probably weighs in favor of Prandelli, and so I think you’ve gotten a lot of responses to your posts, but no one has ever told you to “shut up” or “get the hell off the board” or anything like that, as far as I know. There’s a good bunch of energetic, knowledgeable posters here on the board, and they are entitled to their position, just as you are. But I hope no one is ever shouted off the boards, unless they do something like make racist or otherwise deeply offensive statements.
All we have here is a good ole’ football discussion, as have been going on in pubs for 100 years. The more the merrier, I say.
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I’m back myself after being MIA this week.
I think some of the blame has to fall on Prandelli, and I’m not crazy about his current reaction. I feel for him, Viola fans are very fickle, but calling the loss a fluke is not going to get the fans to back off.That being said, everyone from the players to the management have made mistakes. It was clear from the first half of the season that the defense needed reinforcements, and not much can be expected when you spend winter selling players and not bringing many in. Prandelli is not innocent in this matter however; I don’t blame him for Pazzini’s loss but I think he failed to control Osvaldo properly, and by immediately trusting Jovetic (who has yet to do much I’m afraid) he wasn’t showing faith in his own players. I definitely disagree with Nicky, I think Prands is a great coach, but his current reactions are making me worry that he is out of ideas.
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Whoa….Nicky, you really think all of those coaches would be better for Fiorentina than Prandelli? Mazzari did well last year with a mid-table team, but they are utter shit this season. Delio Rossi hasn’t convinced me yet, he’s working on a limited budget but he’s not helping Lazio to punch above their weight like Prandelli, disregarding a great 2006-2007 season. Zeman hasn’t been the same for years.
From a non-Viola fan, I think he’s doing wonderful and he’s certainly helping Fiorentina to overachieve. Just about every Juventino I know would gladly throw out Ranieri for Prandelli in a second. I wouldn’t (not yet) but compare what he’s doing to Spaletti/Ancelotti…
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As a contra-Prandellian, point number 5 doesn’t carry much weight with me. It’s not my job to monitor who potentially could replace Prandelli. As I’m sure Ted knows, getting a job in publishing often depends far more on who you know and, more importantly, who knows your work. Likewise with football – Corvino knows who is out there, and maybe he knows the boot-room gossip about them, too. How on earth could a mature student in Ontario be expected to have the same level of information?
I’m sorry to jump on that so hard, but it annoys me when critics, who might only follow one team in any depth, are thrown that question. So much of personnel selection in working life is based on inside information, even moreso in sports. Furthermore, I think too much of Ted’s argument rests on that point, so I’ve hit it hard.
As for the other points Ted raises, I don’t really think that Prandelli is responsible one way or the other. For example, I wouldn’t hold the central defender problem against him. (And while I’ve not exactly stood up for Kroldrup, I have suggested the board here has overreacted to the shortcomings of a second-string player.) At the end of the day, you can only sign players who want to come and play on your club, and that’s more Corvino’s remit.
Likewise, I simply call the play as I see it. I’ve never been entirely happy with Kuzmanovic, and now he’s playing badly I don’t understand Prandelli’s confidence in him. Maybe Kuz just needs a week off to rest.
My main criticism of Prandelli is that I just don’t think he prepares the team very well for games. In each of the last three games, we’ve had to reorganize at half-time to get a result. That tells me Prandelli is being out-thought beforehand. It could be one of his assistants, rather than him, is letting him down, but within limits it’s his job to solve that, too.
As for Fiorentina as a ‘mid-level’ club, I met a Juventus fan here at the university who said something like ‘Fiorentina are doing really well for a “little club”.’ I did a double-take. Fiorentina? One of the ’sette sorelle’ of Italian football? A little club? Well, that was before Cecchi Gori’s financial woes, but still. My age may be showing but I have a hard time thinking of Fiorentina as anything but one of the bigger teams in Serie A, one that should be contending for the Champions’ League places *every season*.
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I’ll address several of the comments. And, just to be clear, I’m not saying I’m right. I’m just saying that this is what I think.
–Yeah. I don’t think that people have necessarily told me to leave or anything. They have definitely said that I was not a ‘true’ Viola supporter because I am not on the Prandelli train, though.
–I’m not saying that Prandelli is the worst tactician that ever lived. I agree with what Nolan said about him being out of ideas, though. I cannot imagine how any Viola fan can really disagree with this.
–I think that what successes we have had are directly related to us having a striker in out-of-this world form. Even in our best Prandelli-era season (05-06, we have earned progressively fewer points in each successive year) our success was almost entirely the product of Toni scoring just about every time he touched the ball. I don’t see how anyone can watch our Prandelli-era matches and really ever think we look like a team that plays beautiful football. I just don’t. During the entire Prandelli era we have only beaten teams that have significantly less talent than us.
–To Alessio; Mazarri doesn’t have 1/10th the talent we have, he didn’t have 1/10th the talent we have when he was at Reggina either. We know that Delio Rossi Zeman can form great partnerships with Corvino; and I am just really fond of Corvino and Zeman. I just disagree with you when you say that Fiorentina is punching above its weight. We clearly never beat anyone above our weight. Ranieri for Prandelli? Right now. In a heart beat. When Ranieri was our coach we clearly *did* punch above our weight.
–We need to keep in mind that Corvino went out and got Melo and Jovetic last spring and then, at the start of summer, the club came out and said that the summer market belongs to Prandelli. He chose to break the bank on Vargas rather than getting core help in the center of defense. I’m not even saying that Vargas is a long-term bust as I do think he’s uber-talented I’m just not sure that he is being used correctly.
In the interest of full-disclosure I should say that I am a huge fan of Corvino and I do not believe that he and Prandelli form an effective partnership. One of them has to go.
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well it sounds like you’ll get your wish:
After Fiorentina’s UEFA Cup exit on Thursday, fans expressed their unhappiness, and now the Viola’s boss, Cesare Prandelli, has shot back, with some criticisms of his own.
The people of the city came down hard on the manager and his team, and now he has repaid them in kind while speaking to La Gazzetta dello Sport, “I can’t go on like this,” he stated emphatically. “I want to remind everyone that we were only beaten by one rebound.
“It seems this city wants to destroy four years of important work, and I am not having it. I love Florence, but I repeat, I can’t continue like this.
“I said that at the end of the season I would have to take stock, and that has not changed. Right now, I think what is needed is consistency, and if a city wants to destroy its football team, I don’t want to have anything to do with it.
“It’s unjust to put years of work up for discussion because of a few bad games,” he continued, stressing that today he was not in the mood to play a part, but wanted to be honest. On the next match, against Reggina, he stated, “Morale is very low, at least mine is.
“But we have to keep going, we want fourth place, and we will keep fighting for it.”
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I’m not sure whether we want Delio Rossi. He was guiding Salernitana in 1998-9, and they did evil unto Fiorentina. The mention of Delio Rossi makes me reminisce about my most memorable football season ever, Fiorentina’s 1998/9 ‘campioni di invierno’. The dream lasted until BatiGol ran himself into an injury in a scoreless draw against Milan on 7 Feb 99, and that was the end as we didn’t have the depth. By the time BatiGol came back, we’d fallen behind Lazio (another club to hold against Delio Rossi) who eventually were caught and passed by? Milan. The agony of defeat indeed.
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Our coach is a former Gobbo… We got zauri of all people… ADV is ot really a sentimentalist, in my opinion.
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I don’t think it’s the right time to let Prandelli go (I mean in the summer). He has done his job with all his heart. But, I think the whole situation is good because Florence clearly wants to win and if it is a miracle that we want then he better give us one.
This will show if Prandelli can take the team on the next level, if he and the team will come stronger from all of this or everything will go down (that would be sadly though). It is a serious and stressful job no doubt, we feel Prandelli is little tired and maybe little confused with all the young players they bought since they need a lot time to develop. I think that they all need to grow, the team, Prandelli … he hasn’t won any derby, besides the one with juve (2-3) with Osvaldo scoring who is now gone (why I ask!!!) and it’s like he is afraid of the big teams.. he shouldn’t be.
Every season there are at least 7 new players and the team is being reconstructed, and they all need time to adopt to find there new roles in the team and on that Prandelli has a point. Maybe he is right, the team needs time to gain experience, both as a team and young players too.
So, I still back him up and will continue to support him and I think he is doing a great job, the best one that a couch can do. Not only we should keep him, we should fight for him, I don’t like him to go to Juve and win everything with that bustard team and same time we fighting for relegation.Posted from
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Take into account that only a few seasons ago Viola was in Serie C2.. Viola finished at a UCL spot nevertheless of pont deductions.. Roma’s, Milanese clubs and Gobbi’s budget is miles away from Viola’s…
Prandelli is very respected in Italy.. Zeman hasnt done anything the last years (sacked a few games after with Red Star), even though I enjoy him ideology. Rossi is crap, so is Mazzarri. Why not as well Giampaolo?
Fatih Terim is one of my favorite coaches, must admit. However watching Prandelli, he really knows how to balance out the players on the field. Viola hardly concede in home games due to this.
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and..
just by watching yesterdays juve-napoli game, its easy to say how ranieri is a manager actually devoid of ideas. they could not produce anything against a crappy napoli side.. imagine ranieri against ajax at amsterdam, wouldve probably ended 0-0 or 1-0 in ajaxs favor
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